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Clearing Up Some Xbox One Confusion

Post by The Selkie on Thu 13 Jun 2013 - 18:04

Below is a post I've shamelessly stolen from Reddit. Obviously some of the stuff is just his interpretation of MS's statements, but his understanding of everything is the same as mine. Should help clear up some stuff.

Some Reddit Fella wrote:To start off, the Xbox One will allow you buy games at launch through digital download or through discs by going to a retail store.
USED GAMES
One of the X1's main feature is the ability to install the disc directly to the hard drive and play it without a disk. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a feature many asked for when the feature was added to 360, but it was only to allow the game to run better.
Contrary to popular believe, the used game does exist in the X1.
"Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."
What can we take away from this? Easy. If you bought a disc based game, you can sell and trade it to any participating retailer. It means that game publishers will work out deals with retailers in order for the developers and publishers to take a cut of used games sales. Microsoft will not receive any money from these transactions. If you bought a digital copy, just like any digital copy, you will not be able to do this.
FIRST PARTY GAMES
"In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."
All first party games will be allowed to be resold and be given away (more of this below).
RENTING GAMES
"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."
Microsoft and companies such as Gamefly are working on a system to make this work.
DRM--WHY?
As we saw above, you will be able install your games to your hard-drive and have your entire library available to play without putting the disc in the disc tray.
This is why the 24-hour check is required. Without this, many copies of the same game could be installed into multiple X1's and it would be absolutely crumble game sales.
The drawback to this is not being able to game offline. Microsoft has said that the final decisions to this issue have not been final. I believe if they allow you to play offline with the disc in the disc tray, this would become a non-issue.
PRIVACY
This is one of the biggest things people have been complaining about. Microsoft has already addressed the issue, but of course it fell on deaf ears. People already had their pitch forks out and had Sony on a pedestal by this point.
"You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences."
As I've stated before, you will have the control to everything that the Kinect has to offer. If you don't want it to hear you? You can do that. If you don't want it to see you, you can do that. Don't want it to listen for the "Xbox On" while it's off, you can also do that.
If you want to learn more about the Kinect's privacy settings, you can click this link: Kinect Privacy[1]
XBOX ONE- A GAME OF CIRCLES
Now onto the other things. As some of us know, you will be able to have a "circle" of friends, 10 people to be exact, that will be able to access your game library from anywhere (in the same region, I'm assuming..still not clear about this) at anytime (as long as you or someone else in your circle isn't playing it). This is of course how things work now, two of your friends can't play the game at the same time from one disc on two separate consoles.
This is a feature that is absolutely wonderful, but the people raging about it had not heard about it before.
"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."
I absolutely love this feature. For example, my cousin is 200 miles away when he's away to college and I've let him borrow LA Noire and Dead Rising. I've yet to receive those games from him. With this feature, we don't have to be close in order for him to borrow any of my games! It's crazy as to how so many people dismissed this feature because it's a big jump forward in digital technology. No longer will my friends or family have to be close to me in order for them borrow one of my games.
GIVING AWAY GAMES
Do you have a game that you will no longer play? Your friend can still play it off of your Xbox (if they're in your circle). What if they're not? As long as they have been in your friend's list for 30 days, you can give a game away to your friend, free of charge! This can only be done once per copy.
Disclaimer: Microsoft has left it up to the publishers to decide whether or not you will be able to give your games to your friend. As stated above, first party games will allow you to this.
AFTER-THOUGHT: ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
The big change in the Xbox Live system is the feature to allow all users on one console to have gold by just one user having. For example, if I have Xbox Live Gold and my brothers also use the same console, they will also be able to use all the perks of a Gold account. They will have access to all the games on the console even if it was installed through my account.
In short, one Gold account subscription per Xbox.



And the two MS releases which detail most of this:
Game Licensing Explained
Kinect Privacy Explained
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Re: Clearing Up Some Xbox One Confusion

Post by HomerRamone2084 on Thu 13 Jun 2013 - 18:19

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Re: Clearing Up Some Xbox One Confusion

Post by xuk casey ukx on Thu 13 Jun 2013 - 18:24

that makes the xbox sound a little better in my eyes now. but im still going to wait untill closer to the time to make up my mind.
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Re: Clearing Up Some Xbox One Confusion

Post by N1NJA FWG on Thu 13 Jun 2013 - 20:00

The Selkie wrote:Below is a post I've shamelessly stolen from Reddit. Obviously some of the stuff is just his interpretation of MS's statements, but his understanding of everything is the same as mine. Should help clear up some stuff.

Some Reddit Fella wrote:
DRM--WHY?
As we saw above, you will be able install your games to your hard-drive and have your entire library available to play without putting the disc in the disc tray.
This is why the 24-hour check is required. Without this, many copies of the same game could be installed into multiple X1's and it would be absolutely crumble game sales.
The drawback to this is not being able to game offline. Microsoft has said that the final decisions to this issue have not been final. I believe if they allow you to play offline with the disc in the disc tray, this would become a non-issue.


Such a simple and logical solution to the problem.  It would be a big in tick in pro's column to justify a X1

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Re: Clearing Up Some Xbox One Confusion

Post by The Selkie on Thu 13 Jun 2013 - 20:17

N1NJA FWG wrote:Such a simple and logical solution to the problem.  It would be a big in tick in pro's column to justify a X1
The only problem I can think of is that once I install my games, I no longer need the disc. Ever. So if you have an X1 that you keep offline I could give you all my discs once I've installed the game. Effectively making every disc two copies of the game, one digital "online" copy and a disc "offline" copy. But still, it seems like a relatively minor issue considering it would let MS say that the console doesn't technically need a connection. But if you digitally downloaded games you still wouldn't be able to play them.
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Re: Clearing Up Some Xbox One Confusion

Post by N1NJA FWG on Thu 13 Jun 2013 - 23:42

I see what you mean Selkie, good point.  I wonder if the discs will carry some form of verification built in though seeing as it looks like retailers taking trade ins will need to get the games unlocked via the publishers (unless it is just a case of getting a new registration code)

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Re: Clearing Up Some Xbox One Confusion

Post by falviousuk on Fri 14 Jun 2013 - 0:37

From the way i understood the access to your game library, its not if one person is playing the game then another person cant play it, I read (and hoping to be wrong) that if someone is playing a game from your library, then no one else can play a game from your library.

So if you were playing a game, then no one else can play either that game or any other game you have.

I hope I am wrong on this though.

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Re: Clearing Up Some Xbox One Confusion

Post by The Selkie on Fri 14 Jun 2013 - 0:43

falviousuk wrote:if you were playing a game, then no one else can play either that game or any other game you have.

I hope I am wrong on this though.
I think you are. HERE it says "You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." which I take to mean both me and at least one other person can play my games. HERE it says "the only limitation, it seems, is that only one person can be playing the shared copy of a single game at any given time" which seems to suggests all 10 of my family can be playing my games at once, we just have to be playing different games.
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Re: Clearing Up Some Xbox One Confusion

Post by falviousuk on Fri 14 Jun 2013 - 2:02

ah great, that sounds a lot better then.

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